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	<title>Comments on: Minutemen Members Murder Nine Year Old and Father</title>
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		<title>By: Advocate</title>
		<link>/2009/06/14/minutemen-members-murder-nine-year-old-and-father/#comment-16103</link>
		<dc:creator>Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re littered with neo nazi&#039;s and other special interests whose desire is to rid the nation of anyone of a hispanic origin

http://immigrationclearinghouse.org/tales-from-the-jail-shawna-forde-supporters-come-out-of-the-closet/

Also, malfeasance in the ranks. The MM and others, including &quot;Whining&quot; Willy Gheen, use immigration as an excuse to scam the unsuspecting public of monies

http://immigrationclearinghouse.org/more-shananigans-in-the-minutemen-ranks-head-of-mcdc-carmen-mercer-in-deep-doo-doo/

And &quot;Wetback Willy&quot; goes even further in blaming Google and immigrants for his problems on his silly little website.

http://immigrationclearinghouse.org/alipacs-willy-gheen-accuses-google-and-h1b-migrants-for-his-sites-problems/

The so-called &quot;problems&quot; we have with the immigration issue didn&#039;t exist before 9/11 nor do they now except that groups desiring to line their pockets and push their xenophobic agendas latched onto it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re littered with neo nazi&#8217;s and other special interests whose desire is to rid the nation of anyone of a hispanic origin</p>
<p><a href="http://immigrationclearinghouse.org/tales-from-the-jail-shawna-forde-supporters-come-out-of-the-closet/" rel="nofollow">http://immigrationclearinghouse.org/tales-from-the-jail-shawna-forde-supporters-come-out-of-the-closet/</a></p>
<p>Also, malfeasance in the ranks. The MM and others, including &#8220;Whining&#8221; Willy Gheen, use immigration as an excuse to scam the unsuspecting public of monies</p>
<p><a href="http://immigrationclearinghouse.org/more-shananigans-in-the-minutemen-ranks-head-of-mcdc-carmen-mercer-in-deep-doo-doo/" rel="nofollow">http://immigrationclearinghouse.org/more-shananigans-in-the-minutemen-ranks-head-of-mcdc-carmen-mercer-in-deep-doo-doo/</a></p>
<p>And &#8220;Wetback Willy&#8221; goes even further in blaming Google and immigrants for his problems on his silly little website.</p>
<p><a href="http://immigrationclearinghouse.org/alipacs-willy-gheen-accuses-google-and-h1b-migrants-for-his-sites-problems/" rel="nofollow">http://immigrationclearinghouse.org/alipacs-willy-gheen-accuses-google-and-h1b-migrants-for-his-sites-problems/</a></p>
<p>The so-called &#8220;problems&#8221; we have with the immigration issue didn&#8217;t exist before 9/11 nor do they now except that groups desiring to line their pockets and push their xenophobic agendas latched onto it</p>
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		<title>By: DEO</title>
		<link>/2009/06/14/minutemen-members-murder-nine-year-old-and-father/#comment-16099</link>
		<dc:creator>DEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE MINUTEMEN have attracted some really LOW LIFE. There isn´t room  for discussion, they are becoming more and more militant getting high on hate.
there may be some GOOD PEOPLE in thsi organization, but honestly they wonñt be GOOD PEOPLE for long. They wont be allowed to be. It´s become a machine and it needs to be oiled with more and more vitriol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE MINUTEMEN have attracted some really LOW LIFE. There isn´t room  for discussion, they are becoming more and more militant getting high on hate.<br />
there may be some GOOD PEOPLE in thsi organization, but honestly they wonñt be GOOD PEOPLE for long. They wont be allowed to be. It´s become a machine and it needs to be oiled with more and more vitriol.</p>
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		<title>By: crackofdawn</title>
		<link>/2009/06/14/minutemen-members-murder-nine-year-old-and-father/#comment-7026</link>
		<dc:creator>crackofdawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MINUTEmen are nothing but a pack of neonazi scum.

Their cowardice has no limits.  They consider latino migrants &quot;savages&quot; and murder is in their talk and on their minds.

They should be disbanded because they are a gang of low class criminals.  And what is even more disgusting is the politicians (including the governor of California), celebrities that such as Lou Dobbs who makes millions from hate talk.  They are just as guilty of the murder of the  Flores family&#039;s child as Shawna Forde and her henchmen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MINUTEmen are nothing but a pack of neonazi scum.</p>
<p>Their cowardice has no limits.  They consider latino migrants &#8220;savages&#8221; and murder is in their talk and on their minds.</p>
<p>They should be disbanded because they are a gang of low class criminals.  And what is even more disgusting is the politicians (including the governor of California), celebrities that such as Lou Dobbs who makes millions from hate talk.  They are just as guilty of the murder of the  Flores family&#8217;s child as Shawna Forde and her henchmen.</p>
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		<title>By: Boulevardd</title>
		<link>/2009/06/14/minutemen-members-murder-nine-year-old-and-father/#comment-6938</link>
		<dc:creator>Boulevardd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There will be a huge minutemen gathering at Camp Vigilance on July 4, 2009. This would be an excellent opportunity (especially for those in San Diego County)to voice protest to their handling of the Flores MURDERS. Whether or not they directly performed the criminal act, their lack of a screening procedure and insensitive handling of this situation was definitely a factor.

July 4, 2009 10am-10pm
Camp Vigilance
Boulevard, CA

for directions
http://www.campvigilance.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will be a huge minutemen gathering at Camp Vigilance on July 4, 2009. This would be an excellent opportunity (especially for those in San Diego County)to voice protest to their handling of the Flores MURDERS. Whether or not they directly performed the criminal act, their lack of a screening procedure and insensitive handling of this situation was definitely a factor.</p>
<p>July 4, 2009 10am-10pm<br />
Camp Vigilance<br />
Boulevard, CA</p>
<p>for directions<br />
<a href="http://www.campvigilance.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.campvigilance.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>/2009/06/14/minutemen-members-murder-nine-year-old-and-father/#comment-6935</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There will be a huge minutemen gathering at Camp Vigilance on July 4, 2009. This would be an excellent opportunity (especially for those in San Diego County)to voice protest to their handling of the Flores MURDERS. Whether or not they directly performed the criminal act, their lack of a screening procedure and insensitive handling of this situation was definitely a factor.

July 4, 2009 10am-10pm
Camp Vigilance
Boulevard, CA

for directions
http://www.campvigilance.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will be a huge minutemen gathering at Camp Vigilance on July 4, 2009. This would be an excellent opportunity (especially for those in San Diego County)to voice protest to their handling of the Flores MURDERS. Whether or not they directly performed the criminal act, their lack of a screening procedure and insensitive handling of this situation was definitely a factor.</p>
<p>July 4, 2009 10am-10pm<br />
Camp Vigilance<br />
Boulevard, CA</p>
<p>for directions<br />
<a href="http://www.campvigilance.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.campvigilance.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: PM Corn</title>
		<link>/2009/06/14/minutemen-members-murder-nine-year-old-and-father/#comment-6387</link>
		<dc:creator>PM Corn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Name one example? All you have to do is go to their website, open your eyes and you will see thousand of examples.

Talk of &quot;invasions&quot;. The liberal use of the disgusting word &quot;anchor baby&quot; to describe innocent children. 

Gheen&#039;s very astute! The PT Barnum of our time. Sit back, beg for money and let his armchair activists use all the derogatory terms and racial smears.

ALIPAC is supposed to be about &quot;legal immigration&quot;, yet they focus almost exclusively on Mexicans and make them out to be a non human species.

Even now, many of the members are attempting to justify this crime by suggesting it is quid pro quo for &quot;Americkuns&quot; that are massacred daily (their opinion, not the mainstreams) by illegals.

There is no justification for this whatsoever.

So continue to believe what you want. Real Americans and those of us working for an overhaul of our nations immigration laws, not open borders as your hero suggests, will keep putting the word out, despite your best efforts to counter our comments with your spam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Name one example? All you have to do is go to their website, open your eyes and you will see thousand of examples.</p>
<p>Talk of &#8220;invasions&#8221;. The liberal use of the disgusting word &#8220;anchor baby&#8221; to describe innocent children. </p>
<p>Gheen&#8217;s very astute! The PT Barnum of our time. Sit back, beg for money and let his armchair activists use all the derogatory terms and racial smears.</p>
<p>ALIPAC is supposed to be about &#8220;legal immigration&#8221;, yet they focus almost exclusively on Mexicans and make them out to be a non human species.</p>
<p>Even now, many of the members are attempting to justify this crime by suggesting it is quid pro quo for &#8220;Americkuns&#8221; that are massacred daily (their opinion, not the mainstreams) by illegals.</p>
<p>There is no justification for this whatsoever.</p>
<p>So continue to believe what you want. Real Americans and those of us working for an overhaul of our nations immigration laws, not open borders as your hero suggests, will keep putting the word out, despite your best efforts to counter our comments with your spam.</p>
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		<title>By: PM Corn</title>
		<link>/2009/06/14/minutemen-members-murder-nine-year-old-and-father/#comment-6301</link>
		<dc:creator>PM Corn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually you can blame the Minutemen, ALIPAC, VDARE, Stormfront, Lou Dobbs, Glenn Beck and the rest who propagate the myths about illegal immigrants and who have made a dumbed down America believe all the trite crap they spew in efforts to get ratings, higher ad revenue and in Gheen and the nativist organizations, cash infusions from the sheeple who believe their propaganda.

And when someone dares to disagree with them, they are branded with all types of coded labels which makes our efforts that much more difficult.

Yes, anyone who condones this crime, who rationalizes it, as many at ALIPAC are doing, are equally guilty</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually you can blame the Minutemen, ALIPAC, VDARE, Stormfront, Lou Dobbs, Glenn Beck and the rest who propagate the myths about illegal immigrants and who have made a dumbed down America believe all the trite crap they spew in efforts to get ratings, higher ad revenue and in Gheen and the nativist organizations, cash infusions from the sheeple who believe their propaganda.</p>
<p>And when someone dares to disagree with them, they are branded with all types of coded labels which makes our efforts that much more difficult.</p>
<p>Yes, anyone who condones this crime, who rationalizes it, as many at ALIPAC are doing, are equally guilty</p>
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		<title>By: David Smith</title>
		<link>/2009/06/14/minutemen-members-murder-nine-year-old-and-father/#comment-6277</link>
		<dc:creator>David Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is BS.  Name one example where ALIPAC or any of ALIPAC&#039;s officials have ever advocated that people take the law into their own hands?

I&#039;ve been a supporter of ALIPAC&#039;s for many years.  I have watched countless speeches by William Gheen, read hundreds of articles and email alerts.  I am Hispanic and I am a legal Immigrant and I have never seen one shred of evidence that Gheen or ALIPAC support unlawfulness.

Their mission is to get the existing immigration laws enforced by the state and federal governments.

You poison the debate and America when you lie like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is BS.  Name one example where ALIPAC or any of ALIPAC&#8217;s officials have ever advocated that people take the law into their own hands?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a supporter of ALIPAC&#8217;s for many years.  I have watched countless speeches by William Gheen, read hundreds of articles and email alerts.  I am Hispanic and I am a legal Immigrant and I have never seen one shred of evidence that Gheen or ALIPAC support unlawfulness.</p>
<p>Their mission is to get the existing immigration laws enforced by the state and federal governments.</p>
<p>You poison the debate and America when you lie like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle L.</title>
		<link>/2009/06/14/minutemen-members-murder-nine-year-old-and-father/#comment-6205</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarra,

There have been many examples of the dehumanizing language targeting both Latinos and immigrants that takes place within Minutemen circles.  That language is condone and/or ignored by movement leaders.  

It is exactly this kind of rhetoric that paints the complex issue of immigration as some type of &quot;war&quot; and &quot;invasion&quot; that led to this specific incident.  It is that type of rhetoric that will lead to more violence.  

I&#039;m glad that you send you join the majority of Americans in sending our condolences to the Flores family.  Let us hope that the anit-imimgrant movement begins to take more responsibility for the climate that is has shaped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarra,</p>
<p>There have been many examples of the dehumanizing language targeting both Latinos and immigrants that takes place within Minutemen circles.  That language is condone and/or ignored by movement leaders.  </p>
<p>It is exactly this kind of rhetoric that paints the complex issue of immigration as some type of &#8220;war&#8221; and &#8220;invasion&#8221; that led to this specific incident.  It is that type of rhetoric that will lead to more violence.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that you send you join the majority of Americans in sending our condolences to the Flores family.  Let us hope that the anit-imimgrant movement begins to take more responsibility for the climate that is has shaped.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarra</title>
		<link>/2009/06/14/minutemen-members-murder-nine-year-old-and-father/#comment-6193</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, my condolences to the Flores family.  However you can not blame the Minutemen or other groups for the action of a few of their members.  The group itself does not condone attacking immigrants.  They watch the border and call the border patrol if they spot anything.  A majority of the members are law abiding citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, my condolences to the Flores family.  However you can not blame the Minutemen or other groups for the action of a few of their members.  The group itself does not condone attacking immigrants.  They watch the border and call the border patrol if they spot anything.  A majority of the members are law abiding citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Garvey</title>
		<link>/2009/06/14/minutemen-members-murder-nine-year-old-and-father/#comment-6189</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill Garvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chaos-
Not sure I would call this post a report...more like an editorial. I did think about the ALIPAC thing, because frankly they are teetering right on the edge. I know William Gheen has tried to make his org more polished, but I hear he is now working more closely with Chris Simcox and Jeff Schwilk - two guys that practically define vigilante. http://www.adl.org/civil_rights/anti_immigrant/gheen.asp

If you look at ALIPAC discussion boards they use extremely offensive language to describe immigrants and reference &quot;invasions&quot; quite a bit - I&#039;d say they have a sizable # of members who fall into the vigilante category.

And can you be more specific than &quot;those people&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chaos-<br />
Not sure I would call this post a report&#8230;more like an editorial. I did think about the ALIPAC thing, because frankly they are teetering right on the edge. I know William Gheen has tried to make his org more polished, but I hear he is now working more closely with Chris Simcox and Jeff Schwilk &#8211; two guys that practically define vigilante. <a href="http://www.adl.org/civil_rights/anti_immigrant/gheen.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.adl.org/civil_rights/anti_immigrant/gheen.asp</a></p>
<p>If you look at ALIPAC discussion boards they use extremely offensive language to describe immigrants and reference &#8220;invasions&#8221; quite a bit &#8211; I&#8217;d say they have a sizable # of members who fall into the vigilante category.</p>
<p>And can you be more specific than &#8220;those people&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl Warren</title>
		<link>/2009/06/14/minutemen-members-murder-nine-year-old-and-father/#comment-6182</link>
		<dc:creator>Darryl Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chaos,

You serve as a perfect examle to the blog that was written.  Hear you have a nine year old girl whose life was taken.  Intead of expressing any sympathy you launch into an attack on two long respected U.S. civil rights organizations. 

Sadly it doesn&#039;t surprise me.  It is exactly this type of viciousness and callousness that created Shawna Fordes and others of her type.

It&#039;s time for the anti-immigrant movement to take some personal responsibility for the climate they havce created.  I won&#039;t hold my breath though . . . your comment shows just how immature and irrational the movement really is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chaos,</p>
<p>You serve as a perfect examle to the blog that was written.  Hear you have a nine year old girl whose life was taken.  Intead of expressing any sympathy you launch into an attack on two long respected U.S. civil rights organizations. </p>
<p>Sadly it doesn&#8217;t surprise me.  It is exactly this type of viciousness and callousness that created Shawna Fordes and others of her type.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time for the anti-immigrant movement to take some personal responsibility for the climate they havce created.  I won&#8217;t hold my breath though . . . your comment shows just how immature and irrational the movement really is.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaos</title>
		<link>/2009/06/14/minutemen-members-murder-nine-year-old-and-father/#comment-6168</link>
		<dc:creator>Chaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about a slanted report.

Since when is ALIPAC a vigilante group?
I&#039;d be more worried about those people that believe anything SPLC or NCLR say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about a slanted report.</p>
<p>Since when is ALIPAC a vigilante group?<br />
I&#8217;d be more worried about those people that believe anything SPLC or NCLR say.</p>
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